Is there HOPE for ALL?
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The above scripture (1 Tim 4:9-10) identities two classes of men to be saved: 1) non-believers, and 2) believers, who will be saved to an even greater degree. The scripture above confirms what I have heard the Father, in his presence, say and explain to me. There is Hope for All. All will be reconciled to God, either in this life through the unpleasant purification process of crucifixion of the lusts and affections, (that the deficit sects know little about), or in the next life's more painful purification process, called Hell. All will be saved. All will be reconciled by Christ to God.
(For more on purification in this life, see How to Benefit from the Changing Power of God.)
To live in heaven, you must be purified: either in this life with less pain and a greater reward, or purified in the next life, called Hell. Neither is a pleasant experience; to die to self is not pleasant.
Sinners cannot live in heaven with God, or heaven would turn into Hell. We all have to be purified to live in God's presence and to live in perfect harmony and love with our brothers. A common belief is that all fleshly Christians still sinning will be instantly purified in the last minute of their lives,* to then live in heaven. This is wrong because God will never take away our free will; and if he purifies us without our having learned to loathe and hate our selfish habits and addictions, once instantly purified, we would drift back into the same patterns of selfish behaviors that cause us to embrace sin. So in this life or the next, we have to: 1) discover the bitterness of the passions and pleasures that our hearts desire, and 2) over time suffer the consequences of our passions and pleasures, while longing to have them removed by desperately seeking the grace of God to be changed. In Hell, our passions are unrestrained, similar to how we are without restraint to lusts and violence in our dreams. For our passions are the worst of tyrants. When we are placed so that we are entirely given up to them, they will torment the heart, and, like a torrent, sweep all before them, and yet never be satisfied. We must discover that true liberty is to be found only in him, whose truth shall set us free, and who shall lead us to understand only in virtuous actions (serving him) are we really free. In this way, when our heart's defects are removed, one at a time, we are certain not to return to sin in our free wills. Love never insists on its own way, instead it helps us see the error of the wrong way, so we can choose the right way; and then rewards us with the grace of change, finally resulting in purity.
If a sinner did not first have the sins slowly purged out of his heart, while learning to hate all evil, even if that sinner were translated into heaven, he would not be happy because he could not pursue all his old addictions. If you die still sinning, you would be absolutely miserable in heaven; all your pleasures and desires, having not been crucified while on earth, are not available in heaven, and you would be miserable without them. You would be yearning for the old wine, which you think is better than the new wine because you have not been prepared, crucified, purified, (the new wineskin), and freed from lusts, anger, sexual desires, resentment, envy, greed, lying, jealousy, foolishness, revelry, drunkenness, pleasures, etc. Even your thoughts would be heard by everyone around you; you would be terrified and wanting to run to darkness where you hope your thoughts would not be heard by everyone. Jesus told us the same in the parable: No one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires the new wine, for he will say, 'The old wine is better.' Luke 5:39. A man must crucify his lusts and affections on the inward cross of self-denial before he can enjoy fellowship in the heavens.
Purification on earth is much easier than purification in Hell; purification in Hell is a horrible, obsessive experience to be avoided if at all possible. A description of Hell from Him to me, to be relayed to you is: "a lot of pain with unexpected love; a lot of pain to be made fit for reconstruction." For ALL will be reconciled to God. All will be saved. Your life in heaven will be far more rewarding if you attain purification while on earth. But, even if you have to pass through Hell, your resulting life will be much better than life on earth. So there is HOPE FOR ALL! More on Hell later. But first lets look at how the Bible shows Hope for All:
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. 1 John 4:14
I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
The Father purposed to reconcile by him, all things to himself; by him, I say, whether they are things on earth, or things in heaven. Col 1:20
And on this mountain the LORD of hosts will make to all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
Declare and bring forward your case; yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I the LORD? And there is no God beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.
I will put my law in their inward part, and write it in their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall no longer teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD, for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.” Jer 31: 33-34
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, my purpose shall stand, and
So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God,
Now, let's look at what George Fox said about All, (his words agree with scriptures above).
Finally, below are wonderful messages recently received from the Word of the Lord within:
The Light (Christ) is given to every man who comes into the world, John 1:9, so that through the Light, all men might believe, John 1:7; and by abiding in the Light and obeying the Light, man receives release from the bondage of sin to become a child of the light, a son of God: While you have light, believe in [depend on, trust and obey] the light, that you may become the children of light. John 12:36. For God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 1 John 1:5. So man is given a small measure of light that he might believe what it shows him, what it reproves him, what it convicts him — while a man is alive on the earth. This seed, light, or spirit of God is your talent, which must be improved in this life; if you fail to grow it, in the next life it is taken away from you and given to another who has improved their talent, while you are cast as a wicked and unworthy servant into outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. If a man is totally obedient to the light, he will become a child of God, a child of the light. But if he hates the light because it reproves his selfish lifestyle and behavior, then he dies in his sins; and when a man dies still sinning, Christ the light steps out of him, leaving the man in total darkness, which is Hell. Then the measure of light that the man had is given to another who improved his talent while alive. The result: everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power, 2 Thes 1:9; man is cut off from the life, power, and glory of God, dwelling in total darkness. From the Word of the Lord within: "When the light leaves, you will panic; all the ungodly will panic."
But, people who don't find holiness in this life "will be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power." 2 Thes 1:9. Notice he does not say destruction of life or torture, just from the presence of the Lord and the glory of his power — that is the eternal punishment. There is the Kingdom of Heaven, and the heaven after hell, but a heaven isolated from the presence and glory of the Lord. Stephen Crisp, an eminent early Quaker minister said: "The outward court of the temple was for representing the church of God in general, from the particular; the outward court was not measured, that the gentiles might come in; the unbaptized [did not have the baptism of death by fire, resulting in a circumcised heart] people, who were never regenerated, they might come so far as the outward court, but this did not entitle them to the privileges of the house of God, nor to any worship or sacrifice that was accepted upon God's altar."
And do not fear those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Mat 10:28. The Him is God. Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come; and worship him who made heaven, and earth. Rev 14:7
Those not purified, those who die in their sins, all must pass through the lake of fire, commonly called Hell; (but not really Hell, because Hell and death are also cast into the lake of fire)*; but the spirit lives forever and eventually leaves Hell to a much better life than earth. To lose your soul is to lose that part of God within every man that could have been united with the fullness of Christ, to have become a Son of God.
The soul having been united with Christ, then lives in a higher dimension of love and Life than to live in spirit only. The Lord names this reward "the kingdom of God;" it is a reward that is beyond man's imagination, beyond the words of earth to describe. Man must give up his entire life to God; in exchange God gives man himself — the greatest gift imaginable, but without our understanding until God is fully known.
Joy is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit — a permanent joy, beyond the earth's transitory joy. There is an old saying: "you will never know how good it feels until you stop hitting yourself over the head with a hammer;" point being, our life in the flesh, separated from the life of God, is like being continuously hit over the head with a hammer — we are miserable, compared to the happiness we experience with holiness. Richard Claridge, an outstanding early Quaker, profoundly wrote:
And perfection of holiness is specifically counseled by Paul: Therefore having these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2 Cor 7:1. Without holiness, we are, and will be in misery.
Yes, there is a Hell. It is very uncomfortable, to say the least. It is not like Dante's inferno. It is not physical fire and brimstone; these are physical symbols of the spiritual, for example: "Our God is a consuming fire." Heb 12:29. There is also a burning within you to do something; the burning of lust, but in a burning intensity greater than you have ever known. It is raging obsession. It is hyper sin city — complete mutual rage, complete mutual lust, etc. The brimstone, sulphur, (when burned sulphur produces sulphur dioxide, used for purification and bleaching), symbolizes a spiritual purification agent. I was taken there because I prayed, sincerely doubting there was a Hell. This is what I felt and saw:
The Lord once told me "if one man's sin can curse the whole human race, then how much more just is it for one man's righteousness to pay for the sins of the whole world." Sounds logical doesn't it? HE IS LOGICAL. And the scriptural proof of his statement to me is:
In the presence of the Father, I was told by Him: "every man and woman is precious; every person will be brought back to Him in reconciliation; every word spoken, every action taken by everyone leads them to God." I could see and feel the infinite wisdom of God and how all ways led to God; and I could see and understand how this life was an illusion because it was nothing but a way to God for each and all; it was overwhelming; it was the greatest experience of my life to date. I could only see a cloud, but I could feel his mighty streams of power; it was like stepping into a strong river of wisdom, seeing clearly the infinite truth, logic, and reality of everything he told me. I also found the Father to be full of joy, happy, forgiving, and in control beyond what we can at best imagine. What we are learning in this life, all of us, will eventually lead each of us back to God — some obviously a longer, more difficult process than others. From the Word of the Lord within: "There are no failures in the next life, only people getting better."
And John said, ‘the devil who had deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and will be tormented day and night for ever and forever. Rev 20:10’ This text is frequently quoted to prove that all those who have been deceived will be tormented night and day forever - but look, all four Bibles say only the devil is cast into the lake of fire and tormented forever. Those deceived are cast in the lake of fire and have their part in the lake of fire, but they are not also tormented forever; those who have been deceived, after their time, are reconciled to God. But the devil was not deceived; he knew what he was doing when he deliberately rebelled against God's direction. The whole creation will be reconciled to God, except the devil.
Similarly, the Hell Fire-Damnation preachers threaten the everlasting fire; which fire is everlasting. But look, the baptism of the Holy Spirit burns up the chaff with unquenchable fire [which cannot be put out]. Mat 3:11-12. Now few would argue that one is burned forever by the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The fire lasts forever, but a person is not left in the fire forever — except the original deceiver. The smoke from the burning of the whore (the false church) arises forever, but not from the deceived; the smoke is like a memory that is never forgotten.
The Book of Revelation describes two different groups of men in heaven: 1) the 144,000, who are the first fruits of God, redeemed from the earth, who followed [in obedience] the Lamb wherever he goes [whatever he commands], and 2) a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands. This great multitude had not been redeemed from the earth; they had not been obedient; they were not the first fruits — but they were there, along with the few, who were numbered, (144,000) and who had been obedient to Jesus in their life on the earth.
Further, in New Jerusalem, the temple and those within were measured (measurable, countable, finite); the location and the spiritual Jews within, those whose hearts had been circumcised on the earth, to become Jews (obedient) inwardly. The outer court, was not measured. Rev 21:16, gives us a further measure. George Fox significantly amplifies the dimensions, referring to another translation:
Using the above circumference and ignoring height, New Jerusalem would cover 24 times the area of earth. If each of the 6.72 billion people on the earth today were standing in a 3 ft. x 3 ft. square, every person would fit within 1/2 the state of Connecticut.* So, New Jerusalem's outer court of the Gentiles, (of those whose hearts were not circumcised on earth), is capable of holding the innumerable others, not redeemed from the earth, not first fruits — but reconciled to God, having passed through the lake of fire to become fit company for heaven.
But don't make the mistake of thinking that since you're going to make it anyway, you might as well practice as much evil as possible. Your efforts to live according your understanding of what is required of you will be to your credit. Learning that giving is more satisfying than receiving, learning that kindness feels good, learning that telling the truth, (regardless of the feared consequences), is always the best, learning to control your anger, learning to treat others as you would have them treat you, learning to be happy with whatever you have, learning the value of marital fidelity, learning that forgiveness and mercy free the mind — learning and practicing these will minimize your purification time in Hell. Many stripes for some, fewer for others.
(You may be asking yourself: why is this information is just being disclosed? Answer: the eternal Hell Fire damnation talk has become so loud and damaging to thinking souls, in its inherent unfairness, that He that felt it necessary to remind us of His value, love, and mercy for all men and women, proved by the many scriptures quoted herein, which we have forgotten and cast aside. The true sheep are being scattered by the Hell Fire damnation talk. But most important: this is the only generation that is about to undergo the massive thinning of the earth in a series of great troubles, including famine, wars, disasters of nature, etc. If we don't understand that all men will receive the mercy of God in the next life, and the sooner their evil is terminated, the less difficult it will be for them to work their way to salvation; if we don't understand that thoroughly, then even the elect could be overcome with doubts as to the goodness of God. The troubles will be catastrophic and fearful beyond our imagination, and we need to have confidence in the eventual love and mercy to be granted to all men. All is well that ends well, and we need to understand that God has a plan for it to end well for all men.)
Now for that special case of children — how much purification is necessary for an infant? Any? No! How much purification is necessary for a five year old? Certainly, is it not logical that purification of children is much simpler than someone who has lived 50 years of mistakes, habits, lusts, and affections?
When talking about judgment, Jesus said in Matthew 7:22-23: "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? And in your name cast out devils? And in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who work iniquity." Obviously these people, who thought they were Christians, called him Lord; and they had enough faith that he was the son of God to perform wonderful works, thinking themselves to be in his name. Where is their fruit resulting from purity? Can you imagine how betrayed these people will feel. They will likely be angry. They will likely feel resentment and mistrust of Jesus. Their purification will probably take longer than the 'sinners' because of their anger and resentment; and the 'sinners' will finish purification and enter heaven first, and the 'saved' will finish purification and enter heaven last. So the last will be first, and the first will be last. And if they are teachers or preachers, not perfected and authorized by Christ, and therefore having been teaching in error, their time in Hell will be even longer, for the blood of those they have misled will be on their heads; and blackest darkness is reserved for them. This scripture was already being fulfilled in Christ's time on the earth: the tax collectors and prostitutes were already entering the Kingdom ahead of the eminent Pharisees — those thought to be last were before those thought to be first. The person who has the least esteem of himself can hear the call to repentance the clearest. The last can hear the call to repentance; the first are deaf in their self-righteousness, (or their imputed righteousness from Christ, which supposedly excuses them from repentance and the cross of Christ).
Jesus said he would reject many, who thought they were Christians, but who still sinned. If he rejects people who called themselves Christians, though he loves people of all faiths, he will also reject those of other faiths or no faith too. A total change of heart is necessary.
You cannot depend on your righteousness and 'salvation' from reading scriptures about grace and faith. If and when you are righteous, Christ will tell you so! When you are assured of salvation, he will tell you "I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut." The receipt of salvation and the entering the Kingdom are simultaneous. Depend on nothing else, except his spoken words to you! Remember Jesus said, "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance;" because the righteous cannot hear his call to repentance, yesterday and today! The righteous think they need to do nothing; they even say repentance and the cross is "works" and to do any work related to salvation would disqualify their false salvation based on 'grace' — so they can't hear his call to repentance, especially if they are busy in a form of religious practices: bible study, attending services, tithing, singing, reading from a prayer book, eating wine and bread, water baptisms, speaking in 'tongues.' He told me: "It is hard for those wrapped up in a form to see repentance to the truth." It was hard yesterday; it is hard today. See Jesus Wants to Teach You Himself for seeking His righteousness.
We know that there is some form of life in Hell, otherwise pain would not be felt. If all are to be placed in right standing with God and life, after Hell is heaven. It is better than earth, but no where near the Life we can attain if we become purified and attain the Kingdom of Heaven while on earth, (perhaps the "third Heaven" of which Paul spoke in 2 Cor 12:2). The attainment here is relatively free from pressure, relatively free from compulsion, free from the intensity of the experience in Hell. Here we can choose thousands of times a day what we want to do. There, (in Hell), there is little choice — only an obsession to do the things you have harbored in repetitive intensity so much that they become repulsive; and finally you choose to risk sacrifice of your life remaining rather than continue — thus shunning evil, hating evil, and being so sick of evil that you live happily ever after serving love — but in a diminished state than if you had chosen to shun, hate, and eschew evil while on earth. The diminished state and the higher state have been described to me as "living in different dimensions." In the old testament, only the high priest could enter the Holy of Holies in the temple; those who produce fruit in this life become kings and priests, in the presence of the Lord and in the glory of his power forever, serving Him. Revelation describes heaven as the temple of God and an outward court. The temple of God is for the spiritual Jew, those whose hearts were circumcised while on earth; they serve and worship God as priests and kings in the temple of God, which is the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb (Christ). Stephen Crisp, an eminent early Quaker minister said: "The outward court was for representing the church of God in general, from the particular; the outward court was not measured, that the Gentiles might come in; the unbaptized [did not have the baptism of death by fire, resulting in a circumcised heart] people, who were never regenerated, [on earth] they might come so far as the outward court, but this did not entitle them to the privileges of the house of God, nor to any worship or sacrifice that was accepted upon God's altar." But those who were not purified (regenerated) on earth do not enter the outer court until they have been purified in the lake of fire.
Again, the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of those who believe. 1 Tim 4:9-10
The heaven of the Vikings, Valhalla, was where they rode out every day to do battle to the death, and then returned to a drunken feast. Perhaps that is exactly what they got, until they got sick to death of it. Become aware of you desires; face them; know you are a slave to your passions, pleasures, habits, pride, and lusts.
The fury of God is for the Light and Spirit of the Lord to step out of you; he being the one who has restrained you in your life more than you realize. When he steps out, you are left in the abyss of total darkness; this is to be cast into outer darkness, the dimension of the kingdom of hell. Without the light's restraint of evil, your heart is free to pursue all its fantasies with obsession; and eventually, your passions and fantasies, along with a continual repeat of your earthly life's mistakes, one by one, become a horror to you. Your horror turns into a dread and a hate of them, until finally the love of God rescues you from them, one by one. But you hate them so much, you would never consider anything remotely similar in the future; when you are then removed to the outer court of heaven. Thus everyone pays for every mistake they made on the earth, their time spent in this obsessive behavior being proportional to their sins when on the earth. As the Lord said: I will give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way and be satiated with their own desires — and thus their time on earth has served them to become wise — the hard way!
One person wrote me telling me how it was impossible for God to place people in a position to sin to their hearts' desire, stating that I was trying to make God evil. I say God can easily place you into a dream state where you are put into extreme conditions to play to your heart's inclinations, thinking and feeling just like it is reality — but it is not actually happening. Except, in this state, you can't wake up, and the state lasts until you have paid the last penny and become totally sick of the sin.
A wise man once said: "to become wise, one must first acknowledge they are ignorant."
From the voice of the Lord: "so they must pass through the earth wise," or else, you must learn about good and evil the hard way, in Hell.
The purpose of our life on earth is to arrive a the state where we hate evil so much that even when tested under pressure, we refuse to take it up again. At this point we have arrived at Job's state of "perfection:"
And if we do become one of "the first fruits" we will be kings ( a servant like Christ) and priests forever in the close presence of God, worshiping and serving Him, beholding His glory, and being like Him, being one with Him, loving Him, and being loved by Him.
Not everyone can be kings, or we would all be trying to out-serve each other. I haven't been told exactly what kings will be doing; in general, I know they will be forever growing in learning and love. My opinion is that the vast group of people who do not attain purity on this earth will be served by those who became kings and priests. If we are chosen, we can take no credit or pride; we are simply the beneficiaries of his unmerited favor — grace. Those chosen were not chosen, because one day, all on their own merit, they decided to seek God; no, God is the one who draws us to Him, and then he turns our salvation over to Christ to produce to completion. Many are called, few are chosen. Those chosen have responded to the call of God. Since there is no time with God, he knew ahead of time who would respond to his call by their choice.
It is Christ's job to reconcile all things (which includes all of mankind) back to the Father. The relative ease and comfort of attainment in this life, and the rewards available to those who attain purity and reconciliation in this life, make the supreme effort to attain purity and the Kingdom in this life only common sense. Prize your time, while you still have it available. Pray for the Father to motivate you more by drawing you to Him while on earth. Offer Him your life-long best efforts in exchange for his drawing you to Him. Doubting his existence, I once said such a prayer and he answered with an indelible experience; an experience he has told me "anyone can have if they humbly ask." (That experience created a hunger that motivated me for over 25 years.) While waiting on the Lord, He said to my wife, "be the very best you can. . . . . for me!" (To His benefit as well as yours.)
To Repeat what is said elsewhere in this site: And to those of you who attain perfection; to those who reach purity in this life; by you doing so, (producing fruit), you show yourself to be true followers of Christ, and he then brings honor and glory to our Father. Is there anything else worth aspiring to do? For if there is some way we can repay our Father for our breath, our heart beat, our life, our savior who has paved the way for us, then that is the only thing to want — every other thing must take back seat to the passion of bringing glory to the Son and the Father. As for me, knowing that I can possibly do this for Christ and the Father, as insignificant as I am, I gladly dedicate my life to do so, and I am eternally grateful for the opportunity. For with success, we become united with God, and we operate according to God's purpose, will, and pleasure; and our pleasure is to have clean, pure, holy, perfect purpose in our words and actions — to be a instrument in his hands totally dedicated to life of love.
The purpose of this site is to show you that it is possible, help you grasp the hope for yourself, and then show you how to allow Jesus to purify you by grace for your subsequent entry into unity with Christ and the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven while on earth. For more on how to get purified in this life, go to the home page and then to How to Benefit from the Changing Power of God.
To those of you who want to argue that I have somehow misinterpreted the Bible scriptures quoted above, which seem very clear and easy to understand to me, I will not argue with you. I won't respond.
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