The Missing Cross to Purity

Part 21

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This is a relation of some particulars and principles, affirmed by some of the priests of Bishoprick, at a public dispute in Branspirth Castle upon the 21st day of the 7th month, 1658.

Principle. Josias Dorker affirmed, ‘that direct revelation or inspiration is not to be expected in these days.’

Answer. Then you are away from the spirit, who say so, the spirit of God reveals; you are those who have ravened, the false prophets and antichrists, that have inwardly ravened from the spirit of God, having the sheep's clothing, and in the darkness; the king of the bottomless pit has been your king, for the King of kings, and Lord of lords is not known except by revelation, for none know the son, but the Father, and he to whom he does reveal him; which shows that you are out of the fear of God, for where the fear of God is, God reveals his secrets. But the fear of God is now witnessed, and the son of God is now witnessed, and revelations are now witnessed, in our days as they were in the apostles', but not among you, who have inwardly ravened from the spirit of God, who have apostatized from the apostles.

Principle. ‘That it is needless, and also diabolical, (that is to say, devilish), to expect any such thing now.’

[These false prophets have had no revelations because they teach errors, leading other into captivity; and so the Lord deliberately leaves them blind and deaf to revelation.]

Answer. And so you are in the diabolical, devilish spirit, who do not expect that now, which was in the days of the apostles, and you are out of the fear of God; and the spirit that reveals, and you do not know the son you, who said to the Pharisees, who did not know him, ‘they were of the devil,’ and so he is known by revelation.

Principle. ‘That they had the scripture and the gospel, (as he confessed), not from God, but from men.’

Answer. You nor any man upon the earth, know not the scriptures, but as you know them from God and the spirit, as they did who gave them forth, who learned them from God; and so, he who knows scripture, must know revelation and the gospel, for they are not known, but by the spirit which gave them forth.

Principle. ‘That the bible was the gospel.’

Answer. The gospel is the power of God, which was before the scripture was written, and the gospel was preached to Abraham. And many may have the bible, but not the power of God, the gospel, which is glad tidings to the salvation of everyone that believes. And the scripture is a testimony of the gospel, of the glad tidings, and it is not called the power of God, but Christ and the gospel are called the power of God; and many had scripture, but would not come to Christ, the power of God, and so not to the gospel.

Principle. ‘That the flesh of Christ is not in them.’

Answer. The saints eat his flesh, and those who eat his flesh, have it within them.

Principle. ‘That Christ had, and has a carnal body.’

Answer. Christ's body is not carnal, but spiritual; the first man was of the earth, earthly, the second man is the Lord from heaven, heavenly, and is a glorious body, and the saints are made like unto his glorious body; therefore, the first state is carnal, the second glorious; so there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Principle. ‘That Christ is now in heaven with a carnal body.’

Answer. Carnal indeed is death, said scripture, and it said that corruption must put on incorruption, and mortal, immortality; so Christ's body that is in heaven is a glorious body, and not carnal, nor of the flesh, corruptible.

Principle. ‘That Christ has a carnal human body, united to his divinity.’

Answer. Carnal, human, is from the ground; the first Adam's body, was human, earthly, and Christ was not from the ground, (let all people read what you say), but he was from heaven, his flesh came down from above, his flesh which was the meat, came down from heaven.

Principle. ‘That Timothy retained his ministry, not from God, but from Paul.’

Answer. Timothy did retain his ministry from God, and knew the gift, what he did retain from Paul was not as man, but Timothy was in the faith that Christ was the author of, and he had the gift, and every good and perfect gift comes from God, and this was not by man, nor of man.

Principle. ‘That there is as much difference between a spirit and a body, as there is between light and darkness.’

Answer. Christ's body is spiritual, and what is spiritual, does not differ from the spirit; and so there is a spiritual body, and there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual man, and there is a natural man, and each has their body.

Principle. Henry Liver said, ‘that they knew no such thing as prophesying by direct revelation or inspiration in these days.’

[But before faith came, we were kept under the law, bound until faith should afterwards be revealed. Gal 3:23. [faith comes when Jesus, the author of faith, reveals it to a man, ( by revelation).
All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. Mat 11:27
For nothing is secret that will not be revealed, nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to light. Luke 8:17
Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him. But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. 1 Cor 2:9-10
Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. Phil 3:15]

Answer. Then you never knew the scriptures, for none know the scripture, as I said before, but by the spirit of revelation, which reveals the words; the spirit of prophecy, lets see into the words, and he who does not have the spirit of Christ is none of his; and he who has the spirit of Christ has direct revelation, and prophecy. And the spirit of God is direct, and it reveals; and the gospel, which is the power of God, is direct.

Principle. Richard Frankling said, ‘they had it by scripture.’

Answer. And it was the spirit that brought them to give forth scripture, which things of God were revealed to them by it; and the scripture does not reveal the spirit, but the spirit the scripture.

Principle. ‘That the light which lights every man was not sufficient to lead up to Christ.’

Answer. The light, Christ, that enlightens every man that comes into the world, that he enlightens everyone with, which they are to believe in, is sufficient to lead up to Christ; for those who believe in the light, become the children of light, they pass from death to life, from darkness to light, and come out of condemnation, and shall never die, and so it is sufficient; so that he who does not believe in the light, is condemned by it, for ‘this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men love the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds are evil.’ And so you and those who love the darkness rather than the light, because your deeds are evil, and will not come to it, because it will reprove you, are those who live in the form of godliness, and deny the power, and teach people to say that the light is not sufficient that every man who comes into the world is lighted with, that all might believe; who are not condemned by; and the light that comes from him, is sufficient to lead up to him.

Principle. ‘That grace was not conveyed from the Lord to any man, without the ordinary outward means.’

Answer. The grace of God has appeared to all men, which teaches the saints, and the grace is brought by the revelation of Jesus, as Peter said by revelation, and the grace is the gift of God, and not attained by outward means, by man's will; and those who turn the grace of God that has appeared into a license for immorality, are those who deny the Lord who bought them, who go from the grace, which is the saints' teacher, which brings salvation.

Principle. ‘That the scriptures are only thing that they are to have recourse to, with which to inform the minds of people.’

Answer. Before the scripture was written or given forth, Abraham, Enoch, and Abel had what informed their minds, and let them see Christ; and the Jews had scripture, and did not know not Christ, they had the testimony, and did not come to him they testified of, and so they did not have life. So what is to inform the minds of all people is the spirit and the light which Christ has enlightened them with; and their ears and eyes must be open to the spirit of God in themselves, before they hear his voice, which spirit informs their minds, and then they shall come to know the operation of the spirit, for many may have the scriptures, and do not know that. And what is to teach people is the grace of God, Christ, the light and life, and that is it which informs the mind to know scripture.

Principle. Priest Dorker said, ‘that the word of God was the ordinary outward means,’ and ‘that the scripture is the word,’ they all affirmed.

Answer. The word of God is not outward nor ordinary, but extraordinary, it is what lives, abides, and endures forever; and the scriptures are to be fulfilled, and what fulfills them is the word; and the scriptures of truth learned from God, the Father of truth, are the words of God, not a word. God spoke all these words, and said,’ in Exodus; and ‘my words,’ said Christ; and ‘whoever shall add to these words,’ John in the Revelations said; and so the words are the scriptures of truth, that cannot be broken, Christ the word fulfils them, who was in the beginning, before the words were spoken forth, who is and remains to the end of words, who fulfils them, in whom they end.

Daniel Roberts, teacher to the Baptists at Reading, in Berkshire, did affirm,

Principle. ‘That baptism of water, that is to say, elementary [outward] water, washes away sin.’

Answer. Here you put water in place of Christ's blood, which cleanses from all sin, and what need of that, if water does it; outward water can only wash the outward.

Principle. ‘That God had committed all judgment to the scriptures.’

Answer. That is contrary to the apostle, who said, ‘God will judge the world by the man Christ Jesus, according to the gospel,’ and that is the power; and ‘all judgment is committed to the son.’ Mark, to the son; and ‘the saints shall judge the world,’ and he is in them.

Principle. ‘That the new covenant is the words of Christ and the apostles, and everyone who has the Bible in his house, has the new covenant.’

Answer. The new covenant is Christ, which the scriptures speak of, and the Jews had the scriptures who stood against the covenant, and many may have the Bible, and not be in the thing it speaks of.

Principle. Another Baptist said at the same time, ‘if they did not have scriptures, they would not have known how to walk nor order their conduct.’

[OK, since the scriptures tell you to be holy, be perfect as your father is perfect, be merciful as your father in heaven, purify yourself as he is pure, practice righteousness as he is righteous, and be as he was in this present world; now conduct yourself as the Bible tells you to. However, you ignore those teaching about how you should conduct yourself, because the Bible gives you no strength or power to be holy or perfect or pure; without the teachings and grace of Christ, received from the Holy Spirit, by listening and obeying, you are still locked in your sins, still mastered by Satan, still without Christ's power and strength in you, which must be received as the engrafted word in your heart, the spoken words of Christ that impart life to the listener.]

Answer. How did those know to order their conduct, and walk, before scripture was given forth? The life which led them to give forth the scripture, did order them to walk acceptable to him. And the Pharisees had the scriptures given forth from the life, but being out of the life, their conduct was not ordered by it.

Principle. Daniel Roberts affirmed, ‘that he knew no other spirit than what was in the scripture, and that he carried it in his pocket.’

Answer. The spirit is not in the scriptures, but in those who gave it forth, and that the scriptures testify of. Many got the scriptures, but lacked what gave them forth, and so were not in unity with the scriptures, nor with one another, nor with God; and in all Christendom, so called, this is lacking, the unity of the spirit, in which is the bond of peace, for many have the words, but not the spirit.

An answer to Timothy Trever's principles, propounded by way of queries.

Principle. ‘That the light in every man, as in every man, does not teach the way to the kingdom of God, nor give the hope of eternal life.’

Answer. The light in every man which enlightens every man, teaches the way to the kingdom of God, and it teaches no other way but to the kingdom; and though men hate it, and will not come to it, because their deeds are evil, yet that is the teacher in all men that gives them the sense of transgression, and an understanding of reproof [conviction], and if they come to that, they are reproved, and there is the kingdom in men; and that is what lets all men see the Most High reigning, and shall make every tongue confess Christ to the glory of God; and it is what gives every man assurance, that God has raised Christ from the dead, who has enlightened them, and that is what gives every man the hope of eternal life, and it is received in the light.

Principle. ‘That the seed to whom the promise of salvation is made, are, or have been sinners.’

Answer. The promise of God is to the seed, which has been laden as a cart with sheaves by the sinner, which seed is the hope, Christ, who purifies even as God is pure; and here the creature comes to know its liberty among the sons of God. And the seed, Christ, never sinned in the male nor in the female, in the Jews nor in the Gentiles, and of this mystery were the great high professors ignorant, who stood at a distance from the Gentiles, so that Christ had no room among them, except in the stable, in the manger, though they talked of him with their lips. And such Christ calls graves and tombs, and whitewashed walls; and the wall is not the seed, nor the tomb, nor the grave, but the seed is Christ; so this promise is not to seeds, as many, but to one, the seed, which is Christ.

Principle. ‘That there is no man who possesses the kingdom of God, while he is in the mortal body.’

Answer. In this you are like Nebuchadnezzar, who must graze like the ox, your mouth downward, who do not know the Most High ruling in the children of men; and God will dwell in you, and walk in you, and where God dwells and walks in men, they are his temples, which are holy; there is his kingdom, his power, his authority, and the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell in them, and walk in them; and this is the state of thousands who are in the new covenant, who know the power of God, of the Most High, his law put in their minds and hearts; and those who do not know that they are the temples of God, and God dwelling in them, and walking in them, are worse than the Corinthians.

Principle. ‘That he who does not preach the death and resurrection, and the man Christ Jesus, who rose from the dead at Jerusalem, does not preach the gospel, whatever else he declares.’

Answer. He who preaches Christ, must preach that Christ who died at Jerusalem, for he is the same to-day, yesterday, and forever, the lamb slain from the foundation of the world; which seed, Christ, breaks the serpent's head, and destroys death, and the devil, that went out of the truth; and death being destroyed, the captivated one comes out, by the power which is the gospel, and the prisoner of hope shows himself forth, and then the covenant of light and life is felt, and peace with God. But the reprobate, devil, death and destruction, antichrist, the beast and false prophet, may talk of Christ without, and he not be felt within; such are then the reprobates. And as to your saying, the seed is not in all men, first know it in yourself; he is not in the man of sin [the spirit of Satan], who is to be destroyed, who has blinded your mind, and has taken possession of your heart; and so first judge yourself.

Principle. ‘He who does not expect the resurrection from the dead, of his own person, as Christ rose from the dead, literally understood, has no true hope of eternal life born in his understanding.’

Answer. The saints' rising is in Christ, and he is the resurrection; they are of his flesh, and of his bone, and of his spirit; and the saints are of the flesh of Christ who saw no corruption, and of his bone, and have the hope of eternal life promised by the Father. And now the flesh of Christ, the Jews did not know, who were the idolaters and fornicators; for Christ according to the flesh was of Abraham, who came out from all that idolatry and generation of fornicators, and in this the saints rise, live, and remain with Christ forever, and such come to know the resurrection of the just and unjust, according to the scriptures, the one to eternal life, and the other to condemnation.

Principle. ‘That Christ by his death overcame him who had the power of death, and by this made way to life.’

Answer. But how is death overcome in you, when you do not see the kingdom of God within you, and say it shall not be while men are in their mortal bodies, and how short are you of the Holy Ghost, and the power, and the joy, and the righteousness, which the kingdom stands in! And Christ who overcame death, is the life, and the way to God, the Father of life, which enlightens every man that comes into the world, that by the light they might see it and believe in it, that they might be children of light, and come to the light of life; and those who do not believe in it, are condemned by the light.

Principle. ‘That the unchangeableness of God's purpose, of his love, is the only ground of man's obedience and stability, or continuance in obedience, not man's obedience the ground of his stability.’

[This man is pleading for disobedience to be excused and presumed to be obedience. Really, what good is any religion that leaves you the same as you were before you embraced it?]

Answer. Man's stability is Christ, the light, the life, the foundation of God that stands sure, the hope that remains in him, the faith given to him of God, in which the seed comes to be known in the male and in the female, the son of God who abides in the house forever, who is the heir of the promise; and there the unchangeableness of God is known, he who does not change is seen, that has appeared, which cannot be shaken, that sees an end of all changeable things, and variableness, and turnings; and here the obedience is felt.

Principle. ‘God has ordained to eternal life everyone who is or shall be saved before they had a being in this world, but none come to possession of this salvation except through the obedience of the spirit.’

Answer. The ground of man's belief and obedience is Christ, who enlightens him to the intent that he might believe and obey the truth, and he who knows the seed, knows the election, before the world was made.

Principle. ‘That the seed of Israel is men, and not only something in man; that the seed of the serpent are men, and not only something in man.’

Answer. If the seed of Israel is men, then by your account the seed of Israel is the seed of the serpent, for they are men; and Christ, who came to destroy the works of the devil, and him who has the power of death, is said to have come to destroy all Israel, and all men upon the earth. But you err in your judgment, and in your understanding; for I know it is the seed of the serpent who speaks in you, that puts no difference between the precious and the vile. And when Israel thought Christ had called them serpents, many of them were converted to the faith; their outward creatures were not destroyed. You talks foolishly, and are given up to the devil's power, who works wickedness and mischief. And if men are the serpent's seed, as you do say, who shall be saved, for the serpent and his seed must be destroyed? If men are the seed of the serpent, then must the seed of the serpent obey the spirit, and must not the spirit destroy him, and the brightness and breath of the Lord consume him? And it is men who are captivated by the seed of the serpent, whose lives Christ came to save, and redeem, and turn from the power of Satan, to God. And you must be thrashed, and feel the weight of the Lord's hand, before you are humbled. And what have you to do to talk of ordination before man had a being in the world, and would make men to be like yourself, and say they are the serpent's seed, for man is not so, as he is man. And we and thousands witness election and salvation before the foundation of the world was laid, and are come into what comprehends time and being, which are since time; in which power the elect reigns, where salvation is known.

Principle. ‘The woman who the serpent deceived, her seed breaks the serpent's dominion.’

Answer. The seed of the woman bruises the serpent's head wherever he is found, in any male or female, so that Christ may rise in the male and in the female; and this seed is atop of your head, and you have no power but to reach to his heel, and you are in the house of darkness, and the seed is still in Egypt, not come forth yet; and there is a strong man who must bow himself, and those who keep the house must tremble, who have kept your heart from the Lord God, and have carried it a whoring abroad. And he is stronger, than he who keeps the house, who spoils his goods and takes possession, who comes to rule, and will rule and reign.

Principle. ‘That the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man in the church to benefit all, and not to every man in the world.’

[The man has distorted scripture, adding "in the church" to the words "given to every man." Why do they insist on disbelief of the scripture, "spirit given to every man." Because then there is no difference between sinners in their sect and sinners outside their sect; they lose their imagined distinction; which imagined distinction exists because they deny the possibility of ever being freed from sin. If every man in the world has the light, and if every man in the world has been given the spirit, then what do the sects have to offer? Nothing, because they are only a form of godliness without the power to change a man to become godly, pure, holy, clean, and perfect. And so you will read in this book, how the false prophets constantly fight the scriptures that testify to the light and the spirit being in every man.]

Answer. The manifestation is given to every man to benefit all, without distinction. ‘I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh,’ for ‘the spirit of truth shall lead the saints into all truth, and he shall reprove the world,’ and what reproves the world, is manifest to the world.

Principle. ‘That no man has received a measure of the spirit of Christ, but those who believe in Christ, and that no man believes in Christ but those who Christ is revealed to in time, and that he is revealed to none, but by the manifestation of his spirit.’

Answer. The true believers who believe in Christ the revelation, knew him in time and out of time, and the unbelievers are reproved.

Principle. ‘Which of the people of God, prophets, or apostles, did direct all people to a true light within them for their instruction and guide, before the manifestation of the spirit to them, or the work of regeneration wrought in them?’

Answer. The prophet said, ‘I will give him for a covenant of light unto the Gentiles,’ and ‘a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah will I make, and write my law in their hearts, and put them into their minds;’ and this was in general directed to them before they were converted and regenerated, and this light was to enlighten the Gentiles, by which the prisoners should come out of the pit where there is no water; and the new covenant was held to the Jews before they were converted, that all may see who can read only the outward letter; and the apostle was sent to turn people from darkness to light; and John the highest prophet born of woman, said, ‘that was true light that enlightens every man who comes into the world,’ which he was a witness of; and ‘the light shined in the darkness; and the darkness did not comprehend it.’ And Christ directed the Pharisees who were not converted to the kingdom of heaven in them. Read the pearl, and the lost piece of silver; read the talent, and the pearl hid in the field; read the slothful servant, his talent, and then read yourself, how blind and ignorant you are in the things of God, and be silent, so that you may come to know the Lord, and his fear, so that the witness of God may stir in you, that you may do righteously in the sight of God and men, lest the judgment of God be upon your head; for you are manifest to all who are in the light.


Here all may see, the priests of Scotland, and their church, and their persecution against the saints, and lambs, servants, and children of God, whom the Lord moved to go among them, to visit the seed of God in that dark wilderness country, who have been as sheep among wolves.

Also, how pure religion is turned upside down, and vain religion got in its place. And the pure doctrine of Christ and the apostles, which said, ‘entertain strangers, love enemies,’ is lost among you. Instead of entertaining strangers, and loving enemies, they imprison and persecute, and have made their church unsavory. And the teachers' fruits declare them to be false, who were wrestlers against flesh and blood, and strikers at creatures, which Christ and the apostles did not.

George Weare, John Hart, William Grey, William Lowry, William Mitchell, and Richard Isamaell.

First, these Presbyterian priests of Scotland, who excommunicate and put out of the synagogues, do not know the Father and the son, John 16:1-2, so are no true Christians; for how can they be true Christians who do not know the son of God, nor the Father?

Secondly, they are no ministers of Christ; for Christ said, ‘when they curse, bless them;’ so they are out of Christ's doctrine and teaching, not blessing, but cursing, and giving forth curses, and ‘all the people must say amen to their curses.’

Thirdly, they are out of the apostle's doctrine, who said, ‘Bless, and do not curse;’ Rom 12:14, so are no ministers of Christ, who curse and give forth their curses to the people to say amen to them; and here they are shut out of the apostle's doctrine, and Christ's. All people mark and take notice, they are those who curse, but the apostle said, ‘Bless and curse not;’ these are the cursers and not blessers, who excommunicate you out of the synagogues.

Hugh Archball, priest of Stravan; John Hume, priest of Lesmahaga; William Hambleton, priest of Glasford; James Durram, priest of Glasgow; John Castaires, priest of Glasgow; Francis Ard, priest of Discert; Matthew Mackel, priest of Bothell; Henry Foreside, priest of Lingiah; James Nesmith, priest of Hambleton; Robert Semple, priest of Lesmahaga; Thomas Garony, priest of Edenbrough; John Burnet, priest of Hilbride.

Hugh Archball, priest of Stravan, in Anandale. These are his principles.

Principle. ‘That Christ has not enlightened everyone that comes into the world.’

Answer. Which is contrary to John's doctrine. John 1:9.

Principle. ‘That Christ enlightens none but those who receive him.’

Answer. Contrary to John 3:19-20, speaking of those who hate the light, and are enlightened, and will not come to it, because the light will reprove them; so he who hates the light is enlightened, and will not receive Christ.

Principle. ‘That it is blasphemy to say, that the true light enlightens and condemn the world.’

Answer. Contrary to John 1:9 and 3:19, that said, ‘This is the true light that lights every man that comes into the world.’ And ‘this is the condemnation of the world, that light has come into the world.’

Principle. ‘To say, what reproves for sin is from heaven, is blasphemy.’

Answer. Contrary to John 16:8, who said it is the spirit that reproves, which comes from the Father and the son, which is from heaven.

Principle. He cries up a natural light, as sun, moon, and stars, and the light of Christ was before these were made, and said, ‘it is blasphemy to say, those who did the things contained in the law, were blessed in the deed;’ and the apostle said, ‘the doers of the law were justified;’ and said, ‘he would leave the Friends who spoke to him, to the mercy of the people.’

Answer. Upon which they struck bitterly with books, fists, and stones, to destroy, but some moderate people and soldiers stayed the persecution.

John Hume, Priest of Lesmahaga. His Principles as follows, who got into a steeple-house, and shut the door upon him; thus he taught the people.

Principle. ‘What was to be known of God, was manifest by the things that are created.’

Answer. Contrary to the apostle's doctrine, Rom 1:19-20, ‘For that which may be known of God is manifest [revealed] in them; for the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and godhead; so that they are without excuse.’ So with that of God in them they know the invisible things from the foundation of the world, and with that they see the godhead.

Principle. ‘That God was to be known by the things that were made, as the sun, moon, and stars.’

Answer. But Jesus Christ said, Mat 11:27, ‘No man knows the Father but the son, and he to whomsoever the son will reveal him,’ and the heathen do not know God, nor had the Jews seen his shape. And his servants and workmen threw water, stones, and lime, and persecuted, and dirtied, and abused the people called Quakers, and threw a pan full of water on a soldier's neck, and he the said priest never reproved them; and these are the fruits of him and his own family, instead of gravity. Well may the whole parish be out of order, when his own family is thus. So he is one who is reproved by the apostle's doctrine, 1 Tim 3:4-5, who said, ‘If you cannot rule your own family, how can you take care for the church of God?’

Henry Foreside, priest of the parish of Lingiah in Dunbartonshire, said in his preaching to the people,

Principle. ‘If they had Christian zeal they would stone those whom they call Quakers.’

Answer. It is the blind zeal that stones, not the zeal of the Christian, who has the life of Christ; for the christian zeal is to pray for those who persecute, Mat 5:44, and not to stone them; and to love enemies. It was the Jews' zeal who took up stones to stone Christ, John 8:59; they stoned Stephen, Acts 7:58-59, and stoned the apostles, Acts 14:19. In this the Presbyterians have proved their Christianity to be out of Christ and the apostles.

Principle. ‘If Paul and the rest of the apostles had been alive, they would have stoned the Quakers.’

Answer. Here all may see his work to be the work of the envious man in Cain's way, Jude 1:11 who would murder, and wrong the apostle, who never taught nor intended any such doctrine, but said, ‘Overcome evil with good.’ Rom 12:21. And love bears all things. 1 Cor 13:7. Now see whose minister this man is, who cannot bear, but would have them stoned, and would have the apostle as bad as himself, which apostle said, ‘Christ was his example, who laid down his life for his enemies,’ Rom 5:8, who suffered the opposition of sinners; who would render evil to no man, but, on the contrary, the Lord Jesus says, ‘forgive them.’ Luke 23:34. And the apostle said, they did not wrestle against flesh and blood. Eph 6:12. But you and those who stone, do you not wrestle against flesh and blood? And if the apostles would have stoned, would they not have wrestled against flesh and blood? And if the apostles should have stoned all who were contrary to their minds, and told the people stone them, and told them it was Christian zeal, what work would they have made? As the said Henry Foreside, called minister, does. Where would have been long suffering [patience]? Gal 5:22, and loving enemies? Mat 5:44, and where would he have had any to be converted? Who would have been persecutors? Who would have prayed for persecutors? You may see what a pit you have fallen into. And how should they have convinced gainsayers, Titus 1:9, and loved them, when they had stoned them? And this is the Presbyterian's zeal of Scotland, and not Christian zeal, who would stone, and stir up his congregation to do so! For Christ, who is clothed with zeal, Isa 59:17, said, ‘Love your enemies,’ but you are clothed with madness and folly. And the apostle who was in his zeal according to knowledge, said, ‘Overcome evil with good,’ Rom 12:21. and ‘vengeance is the Lord's, and he will repay it.’ Rom 12:19. And love bears all things; but his blind zeal cannot bear anything, but cries stone them out of the way, and so wickedly and devilishly calls it Christian zeal, which is false; that is, the devil's zeal. Now the apostles did not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the powers of darkness, Eph 6:12, but the Presbyterians, called ministers, are striking against flesh and blood; while you would stone them, spiritual wickedness lies within you. So you Presbyterian priests are like a troop of robbers who would murder in the way by consent. Hos 6:9.

James Dorram, called minister of Glasgow, his principles.

Principle. ‘That the believers, even the real godly, are not without sin in this life.’

[The man states that sinners are real godly — if they believe. Maybe then this minister should tell us that the demons are godly because they not only believe, they tremble and fall down in front of Jesus begging for mercy - they really believe - so maybe they are real godly.]

Answer. Here is one who is charging the elect, and laying sin to the elect whom God justifies, Rom 8:33, who say there should be sin in the godly. Sin is out of the godly, but in the ungodly, who turn the grace of God into wantonness [ a license for immorality]; and what good does his preaching do them, if they must never be without sin. While they are upon earth, they can be but in their sin if they never preach to them. But the scripture said, ‘He who believes is born of God, and he who is born of God cannot sin, because his seed remains in him,’ 1 John 5:1, 3:9. But this is of another world to him, who is called James Dorram, minister of Glasgow, minister of darkness, who puts no difference between the children of God, and the children of the devil. 1 John 3:10. They would have sin while they are upon the earth, and that is darkness, but the apostles said they were made free from sin, Rom 6:22, while they were upon the earth.

Principle. ‘Christ being sinless, separates him from all others.’

[Yes, and Christ is separate from all sinners, whether in a sect or not. Until a man has been cleansed and purified by Christ, he cannot join with him because it would corrupt himself. What Christ came to preach was repentance with release from the bondage of sin, freedom from sin, destruction of sin in a man.]

Answer. Christ being separated from sinners, Heb 7:26, those who are in Christ are separate from sinners and sin both, 2 Cor6:17. But this James Dorram has made the offering of none effect, Heb 10:14, which has perfected forever those who are sanctified. And has made the blood of Jesus of no effect, which cleanses from all sin, 1 John 1:7. And he has made the everlasting covenant of no effect which blots out all sins and trespasses. And he has made the faith of the son of God of no effect, which purifies the heart, and gives victory over the world, Acts 15:9, 1 John 5:3-4. In this you preach and hold up sin, and do not preach it down. You say you do not preach to hold it up, and yet you preach they must have it while they are upon the earth; here is perverseness in your tongue, Prov 17:20. You should have preached it down, and if you were a true minister, have brought them to a church where there is neither spot nor wrinkle, nor blemish, nor any such thing, Eph 5:27, but your church is full of spots, and blemishes, and wrinkles, while you are preaching up zeal to stone people, and sin while they live, as Henry Foreside and James Dorram do.

Principle. ‘God be thanked the scripture speaks nothing for freedom from sin and perfection.’

Answer. You thank God that you may live in your sin and imperfection, and are glad of this your false hope; but you are a liar, you are out of the truth in this, for the scripture said they were made free from sin, Rom 6:18,22. And they spoke wisdom among those who were perfect, 1 Cor 2:6, and he has perfected forever those who are sanctified, Heb 10:14. So the scripture speaks of freedom from sin, and of perfection.

Principle. ‘That the condemning power of sin is taken away.’

Answer. The believer does not sin, 1 John 5:1,1 John 3:9, but he, who the believer overcomes, commits sin, 1 John 3:8 and 1 John 5:5, and if the believer commits sin, who overcomes the believer? And so he who commits sin is under the condemning power of sin, which you and all others shall witness.

Principle. ‘The believer is not in sin like the unbeliever is, he does not sin like the unbeliever does;’ and in another place he said, ‘the law is the same to the believer that it is to the unbeliever.’

Answer. Here any may read your confusion; but I say to you, he who believes does not commit sin, but unbelief is sin, Rom 14:23 , and Christ is the end of the law to everyone that believes for righteousness' sake, Rom 10:4, and yet you put both believers and unbelievers under the law.

Lodowick Simerell, priest of the new parish of Munckland, his Principles and Doctrines.

Principle. ‘That it is blasphemy to say that the light in man, which reproves of sin, is the light of God, is perfect, is the gift of God.’

Answer. Contrary to scripture, contrary to Christ's words, and contrary to the apostles' words are your doctrine and principle, for every gift of God is perfect, Isa 42:6, Isa 49:6, John 1:3-4, John 4:10. For Christ is the gift of God, and he will give him for a covenant of light to the Jews and Gentiles, which enlightens every man that comes into the world, which everyone who does truth comes to, but everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come to the light because the light will reprove him; and so, ‘this is the condemnation of the world, that light is come into the world, and men love darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil.’ So this light is perfect, which reproves every man of sin, and is from above, and it is the gift of God, and you are blind and in darkness who do not comprehend it. And the light that enlightens every man that comes into the world, Christ Jesus the gift of God, he by whom the world was made, this light was before any natural light was made, sun, moon, or stars; for all things that were made, were made by the light, which came a light into the world, that all through him might believe, for he who does not believe in the light, is condemned already, and he who does believe in the light has the witness in himself, to set to his seal that God is true; and the spirit of truth that reproves [convicts] the world is perfect, and of God.

The light which everyone that comes into the world is enlightened with, is not conscience, for the light was before anything was made, or conscience named. So the light is what exercises the conscience towards God, and towards man, where it is loved, and the voice heard; but where it is hated, and the voice not heard, the conscience is seared, and the light is their condemnation, whose consciences are seared, which light was before conscience was.

The priest would not have thee and thou to be a single person, and so is the man who would not endure sound words, who cannot be condemned. Thee and thou was the language between God and his saints, and one another, and you is to many, and thee was to one. And this was the language between Jephtha and his daughter, and between the saints and the kings; this shows, that you have not learned the accidence nor bible, nor have come to the form of sound words.

[It was in the 17th Century grammar books to speak thee and thou to a single person, but "important men" demanded to be addressed in the plural - you].

John Castaires, called Minister of Glasgow, his Principles.

Principle. ‘This is natural folks' duty to pray to God and worship him, although they sinfully keep themselves under a sinful necessity to sin against God through ignorance.’

Answer. This has been your work, to keep people in ignorance, which you may be ashamed of. A natural man cannot worship God, for he cannot receive the things of God, nor a sinful man, but worships the devil, for he who commits sin, serves him, and he who serves sin, serves the devil; and worships him, John 8:34. And Christ said the Pharisees should receive the greater damnation, for their pretended long prayers, Mat 23:14, and so he did not justify them in their long prayers, but rebuked them, and said, ‘woe to those who drew near with their lips, when their hearts were far off,’ Isa 29:13. And those who pray and worship God, must pray in the spirit, 1 Corinthians 14:15, and worship in the spirit, which the devil is out of, John 4:21.

Principle. ‘If the first command is in force, and if it is in force negatively, it is also in force positively, you shall have me for your God, and ought to worship me; and if they do not pray as they should, let them answer for it, for it is not sin of itself.’

Answer. The children of Israel, that the commandments were given to, knew God, but the heathen do not know him; here all may see what measure you measures with. And further you say, if they pray as they should not, yet it is not sin. Is praying as they should, and as they should not, the same? By this to call upon God with their lips, and the heart not right, and the prayers and sacrifice of the wicked are justified, Prov 15:8. And if any pray as they should not, are they not condemned for it? And if praying as they should not, is not sin, then they do as they should.

Principle. ‘If folks should not pray because they are incapable, then a believer not finding himself in a good frame, may let his prayers alone.’

Answer. A believer is a babe of God, and his cry is right, his prayer is right, and his groan is right, 1 John 5:1. And every man that comes into the world, being enlightened, and coming into the light which has enlightened him, 1 John 1:5-7, in that he is to watch and pray, which leads him beyond naturals, which will be accepted in the degree, but he who hates the light, his prayer is not accepted, but is in the hypocrisy.

Principle. ‘The apostle told Simon Magus, an old witch, to pray; and now is there any reason to say we are telling folk to sin, when we tell them to pray, although they are grossly ignorant?’

Answer. The apostle told him repent, Acts 8:22, and he was sensible he had sinned. And what makes a man sensible of sin, brings him to pray correctly, and turns him from witchcraft; and so you put no difference between the precious and the vile, Ezek 22:26, the accepted and unaccepted.

And Henry Foreside, who would have had his people to stone the Quakers, and calls it christian zeal, would have his wall up that he might live in safety, who murders, and would be preserved in the murderous estate, and would have the powers of the earth to be his executioners and pack-horses; but the Lord is opening their eyes, that they will not execute his malice, though he is stirring up the people to do so. So all may see this is not the work of our Lord Jesus Christ, but the work of the murderer, and one who makes himself drunk with the blood of saints, Rev 17:6, till he reel again in his madness. And Christ called those who took up stones to stone him, of their father the devil, for doing his lust, John 8:44. And you who would have the people to stone, and call it christian zeal, have manifested your father, and to be of the devil, who was a murderer from the beginning. You are the serpents and vipers who would kill to fill the measure of your fathers, Mat 23:32-33, and persecute from city to city. And hale out of the synagogues, John 16:2, that all the righteous blood shed, from righteous Abel, might come upon you, Mat 23:35. And you are those who kill the bodies of the saints, and are shedders of the righteous blood, (mark, the righteous blood), that the righteous blood might be upon you. And Cain slew Abel, because Abel's sacrifice was accepted, and his not, Gen 4:3-8. So it is about sacrifice and worship, that you would murder and slay; so you are in Cain's way, a company of vagabonds, whose sacrifice God has no respect to. Even if we were your enemies, you would not teach the people to stone us, if you were ministers of Christ, but love us, Mat 5:44. and do good to us. If the apostles would have taught the people to stone all who were contrary to their mind, and Christ would have taught his disciples to stone all who were contrary to their mind, and told them that it was christian zeal; but you may see Christ and his apostles taught another doctrine, ‘love your enemies,’ and you teach to stone them, who are in scorn called Quakers, contrary to Christ and his apostles; we do conclude it to be the doctrine of the devil, and not the doctrine of Christ. For the true christian zeal never taught to stone, but were stoned.

The priests called Presbyterians, summoned some people called Quakers to come before them, and they came into the steeple-house where they met, and James Nasmith, priest of Hambleton, told them to remove [move], or else he would make them remove by club law. And they asked the Presbyterian priests for their accusers, and Francis Ard, one of the priests, said, they were both accusers and judges. Now see whether this is equity, that the same ones who summons should be both accusers and judges; and when they have summoned, accused, and judged, say they will make them remove by club law; whether these are not brutes, and beasts, and not justices? They are not fit to judge, nor to have the name of ministers, and judges, who will remove people by club law; and the said Quakers could not own them as judges, nor do they look on them as men of equity, but would have had them to have given them a meeting in any place, by which the truth might be cleared and come to light, which they had scandalized [defamed], which they refused; and that lawful witnesses might hear, but they refused, and caused them to be put in prison by the hand of a bailiff, by name of Nasmith.

And this is the authority of the Presbyterian priests, who have summoned with club law! But it is denied by the apostle's doctrine, 1 Tim 3:3, they must not be strikers [violent], nor false accuser, 2 Tim 2:3. These are the Presbyterian priests of Scotland's weapons, club law, which is contrary to the ministers of Christ; they said, ‘we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, and they must not be strikers,’ Eph 6:12. And after they had violently thrust them into prison, after their wills were satisfied with violence, they thrust them out again; there you may feel the spirit of wickedness.

And these Presbyterian priests petition the magistrates, with a pretence they might not be guilty of other's blood; which pretence is in their petitions, to take away their fear, so that their wicked peace might not be disturbed, not regarding their blood; witness James Nasmith, priest, who would make them remove by club law. So their petition is only flattery and deceit, in pretence of not being guilty of their blood, in whose heart it is to shed blood, as witness Henry Foreside, priest, who stirred up the people in zeal to stone them.

Those Presbyterian priests set up club law and persecution against the Quakers, and would not have any to receive them into their houses. So this is abominable doctrine, contrary to the apostle, whose doctrine you have trodden under your feet, who said, ‘Do not be forgetful to entertain strangers, for by this some have entertained angels unaware.’ Heb 13:2.

They say again, that they have no certain dwelling places. These Presbyterians, with their club law and excommunications, who say the Quakers have no certain dwelling places, may inform against the apostles, who had no certain dwelling places, and against Christ, who had nowhere to lay his head, Luke 9:58, and against Abraham, who did not have a foot of ground, Gen 12:1-10. But Cain, the vagabond, built a city, of whose flock and offspring you are, Gen 4:17. And David said, let their children be vagabonds, Psa 109:10, and so this is fulfilled upon you.

And you Presbyterian priests, with your club law, who would club those people scornfully called Quakers away; you would have an order from the justices, that none should receive the Quakers into their houses, and stop them of their liberty; and this is contrary to the law of the nations. And this is damnable doctrine, with which you poison the people, and stir them up with madness and folly. And instead of teaching them peace, you teach them strife; and instead of loving one another, you teach them to fight one another.

And Henry Foreside, priest, cries, stone them. And James Nasmith, priest, cries for club law. And William Hambleton, priest of Glasford, said to Andrew Brown, if the laws were right, they would chop off all the Quakers' heads. By William Hambleton's words the law is wrong, because it does not fulfill his purpose and envy.

Here all may see that you are doing the devil's work, hunting after blood, whose envy, madness, and folly appears to all men. What you cannot do yourselves, you exhort the people to do; and what you and the people cannot do, you petition the magistrates to do, so that all the righteous blood may come upon you, Mat 23:35.

Alas, for you, you poor silly priests, and mad Presbyterians! Is this your work to set people to stone, and cry up club law, and law to chop off their heads? Is this the way to convert them? Is not this the popish way of converting them? You should go to convert them, instruct them, convince them, love them, heap coals of fire upon them, Mat 5, Rom 12. Overcome evil with good,’ Rom 12:21. Pray for them, Mat 5:44. No, you cry, chop off their heads, begging by petitions that none may receive them into their houses; stone them; fall upon them by club law, so that your folly and madness may be made manifest; and you imprison them, and those who receive them into their houses. As for instance, you caused John Hart, of the heads of Glasford, and Jennet Hambleton, widow of Westmanies, to be imprisoned for entertaining them in their houses. Here you have proved yourselves to be the wolves the sheep are sent among, Mat 10:16, that are ravening to devour them; which is one of the marks that you are the false prophets Christ said should come, Mat 7:15. And you are haling out of the synagogues, and excommunicating, and you never show for what; which practice you are in, which is a work of darkness.

And upon this bargain, that the magistrates would grant them an order, that none should receive them into their houses, and that they might not have their liberty, and their servants would be much refreshed, who cry stone them, let us have a law against them, and if the laws were right, they would chop off their heads, and make them remove by club law. But how were these priests the magistrates' servants at Dunbar fight, when they excommunicated and cursed their army and magistracy? But now they would be their servants, if they would execute their wills upon the innocent! Surely these things cannot but stink to all magistrates who fear God.

These are the servants and servers of the times, that the prophets call enchanters, Lev 19:16, and for their own false ends. You can never read that the apostles nor Christ ever taught any such doctrine that the people should be stoned, or have their heads chopped off, or be driven away by club law, which shows you are apostates from the apostles, and of the Jewish nature.

The synod at Glasgow, in the second month, ordained concerning these persons in Clidedale, formerly excommunicated, who are called Quakers, that no other people in other parishes should bargain with them, or allow them to come within their houses, or have lodging for money. Upon which the people persecuted and stoned them, and haled them out of their houses in several places. Namely: Three of those people called Quakers, were, in the night time, between ten and eleven o'clock, drawn by force out of an inn, in the town of New-mills in Ayreshire, and stoned out of the town into the fields to shift for their lodging. And others, three several times, were beaten, stoned, and shamefully treated, and persecuted in Strawan. And others at Lithmahaga. And others shamefully abused in the town of Kirkantillough. And others stoned at Kilbride. And others pitifully stoned, beaten, and abused; and some blood shed at Glasford. And at many other places much harm has been done. These are the priests' fruits, the bloody presbytery, who would have them stoned, and their heads chopped off; some of the magistrates did stop the people from abusing them, so that the priests' malice was not altogether satisfied.

Andrew Brown and John Lowcock of Glasford, were cast into prison, for asking him a question when he was catechizing; and he admonished them when they were not present, and said if they came before them, they would cast them into prison; this makes them peepers and mutterers, to admonish them when they are not present. And is this likely to change them, or do they intend to change them, who admonish them when they are out of hearing, and excommunicate them when they were in prison? What an unmanly part is this in this wicked, devilish, envious, and unchristian ministry.

And John Hart went to a steeple-house to hear the priest's admonition, for the priest said he would admonish him, and he went to hear him; and when he had admonished him, he spoke to him, and told him to prove himself in the doctrine of Christ, and those whom he had admonished to be out of it, and then gave them a bill of divorcement. But the priest went to the court, and got a warrant from the justice, and so cast him into prison, and when he was in prison, excommunicated him, and said he disturbed him. And here his devilish wicked are and doctrines appear, which shows him of Cain's stock, where is nothing but persecution, murder, and envious slayers, vagabonds, and cursed speakers, who went on in the way of Balaam, or Core; who make merchandize of the people through their covetousness, and feigned words to the people; and give forth their curses in their congregations, and all the people are to say amen, to them as follows:—

The priests' first curse, that all the people were to say amen to.

Principle. ‘Cursed be all those who say grace is free, and let all the people say, amen.’

Answer. And so they curse the apostles, and the apostles' doctrine, and all who witness to it, who said, ‘the free grace of God, which brings salvation, has appeared to all men,’ Titus 2:11-12. and was the saints' teacher. These things the apostles commanded to teach with all authority, Titus 2:15. but the ungodly men turn this grace of God into wantonness, who are of old ordained for condemnation.

You are the raging waves of the sea, sending and foaming out your own shame, whose fruits wither, neglecting the common salvation; read Jude. You are like Sodom and Egypt, clouds without water, who run greedily after the wages of Balaam, going in the way of Cain, and shall perish in the gainsaying of Core [Korah], and walking despitefully against the spirit of grace; and those who turn the grace of God into wantonness, deny the Lord who bought them, 2 Pet 2:1-17, Jude 1:4,11-12.

You are the trees without fruit, wells without water, carried about with tempests, cursed speakers; teaching the people to say amen to your cursing the apostles' doctrine, and so willingly ignorant, so that your damnation may be just, that your madness and folly might appear to all; and so you are sensual, not having the spirit, waves of the sea, wandering stars, reserved for blackness of darkness forever; read Jude 1:13, 16-19.

‘The grace of God which brings salvation has appeared to all men,’ Titus 2:11. So that which brings salvation and has appeared to all men, you curse; which is the grace of God, which you with your damnable doctrine, and doctrine of demons, curse, those who witness it, 2 Pet 2, 1 Tim 4:1-2, upon whose consciences the hot iron has come, which hardened those who went to the doctrine of demons, to those who did not hold forth the savior of all men, 1 Tim 4:10-12, ‘These things command and teach, let no man despise your youth.’

Now those who went to the doctrine of demons, from the savior of men, but especially those who believed, and from the grace of God which has appeared to all men, which brings salvation, are those who have turned the grace of God, which is the light, into wantonness, who are ordained of old for condemnation, Jude 1:4. Such are in Cain's way, from the command of God; Core's way from the truth, and Balaam's way from the spirit; those are the clouds and tempests upon whose heads comes the  woe.

The priests' second curse, which all the people were to say amen to.

‘Cursed be all those who say the scripture is not the word of God; and let all the people say amen.’

Answer. Here they have cursed Luke, who calls the scripture a declaration of the word, Luke 1:1; and Acts 1:1, where it is called a treatise [account]. And they have cursed their own company, who say the scriptures signify writings; and they have cursed John, who did not say the scripture was the word, but said, ‘In the beginning was the word,’ John1:1, and the scripture is words, as in the last of Revelations, ‘he who adds to the words;’ and Christ's name is called the word of God; Rev 19:13-16. And the scriptures are words, not a word, Exo 20:1-17, and which words Christ came to fulfill.

The priests' third curse, to which all the people were to say amen.

‘Cursed be all those who say faith is without sin, and let all the people say amen.’

Answer. Faith is the gift of God, and the gift of God is without sin, Eph 2:8. Faith is what gives the victory, 1 John 5:4. And that which gives victory is without sin. And here they have cursed the apostles and their doctrine, who say, faith is without sin, and faith is precious, 1 Pet 1:7, and what is precious is without sin. Faith is the gift of God, and the gift of God is perfect, and what is perfect is without sin, and gives victory over sin. Without faith a man cannot please God, and what men please God in, is without sin, Heb 11:6. And so you have cursed the apostle and his doctrine, the just and what is pure, that by which they were healed, through faith they were justified, Rom 3:28, and what is not of faith is sin, Rom 14:23. So what is of faith is not sin, and what is righteous is not sin, and the scripture speaks of the righteousness of faith, Rom 4:13. Faith is not of sin, but what is not of faith is sin, faith gives victory over sin, 1 John 5:4, in which faith man is justified, and has peace with God, Rom 5:1, and it is a mystery held in a pure conscience, 1 Tim 3:9.

The priests' fourth curse, to which all the people were to say amen.

‘Cursed are all those who say every man has a light sufficient to lead him to Christ, and that within him, and let all the people say amen.’

Answer. Here they have cursed the apostle's doctrine, who said, God would dwell in them, 2 Cor 6:16, and ‘Christ in you the hope of glory,’ Col 1:27, and God is light, 1 John 1:5. And they have cursed the prophets, who said, ‘I give him for a covenant, a leader of the people. I will dwell in them, and walk in them,’ said God, Isa 55:3-4, Jer 31:31, Heb 10:16, 2 Cor 6:16. And he said, ‘I will send you the spirit of truth, and it shall lead you into all truth,’ John 14:16-17, John 16:13. ‘And I will be their God,’ to rule them, ‘and they shall be my people,’ Jer 31:33. Your curses are only wind, for we are redeemed from the curse; and the apostles said, ‘the light that shined in their hearts was to give them the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ,’ 2 Cor 4:6. And those who are led by the spirit of God are the sons of God, Rom 8:14, and the light to guide our feet in the way of peace; and ‘he who has the son has the father also.’ And if any bring another doctrine, do not receive them into your houses, neither wish them God speed, 2 John 1:10. You have here shown yourselves in the cursed estate, out of the apostles' rule, the same spirit of truth who led the disciples into all truth, who shall reprove the world of sin, John 16:8,13.

[From George Fox's Journal:

(Fox Speaking.) There were two Independent churches in Scotland, in one of which many were convinced; but the pastor of the other was in a great rage against truth and Friends. They had their elders, who sometimes would exercise their gifts among the church members, and were sometimes pretty tender; but their pastor speaking so much against the light, and us, the friends of Christ, he darkened his hearers; so that they grew blind and dry, and lost their tenderness. He continued preaching against Friends, and against the light of Christ Jesus, calling it natural; at last one day in his preaching he cursed the light, and fell down as dead in his pulpit. The people carried him out, laid him upon a grave stone, and poured strong waters into him, which fetched him to life again; and they carried him home, but he was spiritless. After awhile he stripped off his clothes, put on a Scotch plaid, and went into the country among the dairy-women. When he had stayed there about two weeks he came home, and went into the pulpit again. Upon which the people expected some great manifestation or revelation from him; but, instead of that, he began to tell them what entertainment he had met with; how one woman gave him skimmed milk, another buttermilk, and another good milk; so the people were obliged to take him out of the pulpit again, and carry him home. He that gave me this report, was Andrew Robinson, one of his chief hearers, who afterwards came to be convinced, and received the truth. He said he never heard that he recovered his senses again. By this people may see what came upon him that cursed the light, which light is the life in Christ, the word; and it may be a warning to all others that speak evil against the light of Christ.]

The priests' fifth curse, to which all the people were to say amen.

‘Cursed be all those who deny the Sabbath-day, and let all the people say, amen.’

Answer. Here they have cursed themselves, and all the apostles, and the saints, and their own generation; have not you and your own generation denied the Sabbath-day the Jews met on, which is the Sabbath-day according to the scripture? Do you not meet together upon the first day? Was not Christ crucified on the sixth day? Did not he arise on the first day? Did the saints meet together on the first day, and not keep the Jews' Sabbath-day? Do not you work upon the seventh-day yourselves, and keep markets and fairs on it? But, as it is said before, we are redeemed from the curse [of the law].

These are the particular sentences whereupon Matthew Markell, and the rest of the priests present with him, did excommunicate those people called Quakers, in the presence of many witnesses, and he required his hearers to say amen to every particular sentence.

John Humes, Priest.

Principle. ‘Those who do not have the scriptures, do not know the attributes of God, by the light of nature, but the scriptures declare the great mystery of the three persons in trinity, which they who lack the scriptures do not know.’

Answer. Your principle is a lie, and those who did not have the scriptures knew God and Christ, as Abraham and Enoch, and the scripture does not declare of the three persons, nor of the trinity; and ‘the natural man does not receive the things of the spirit of God.’

Principle. ‘That the scriptures reveal the great mystery of election, the great works of the creation, and the work of redemption.’

Answer. There you have set up the scripture instead of God, and before God and the son, for it is God who reveals to babes and sucklings, Mat 11:25, and God reveals by his spirit, 1 Cor 2:10, and God will reveal, Phil 3:15, and the things of God are hidden from the wise and prudent (Mat 11:25) who have the Scriptures; the Jews had the scriptures. God reveals his secrets to the prophets, his servants, Amos 3:7. No man knows the Father except to whom the son shall reveal him, Mat 11:27. Now the son reveals, and the Father reveals, and the things of God are revealed by his spirit, 1 Cor 2:10. The Jews had the scriptures, and did not know the son, 1 Cor 2:8, nor the Father, as in John, nor the things of God by a natural light, as they call it. The Jews had the scriptures, and did not know the election, John 5:37-40, because they were away from the Spirit. So it is God who reveals the son, and redemption, and election, and not the scripture; the scripture was given forth from those who had the revelation from God.

Principle. ‘That we and the Papists and Jesuits, and priests, do all agree together, that the scripture is the word of God that lives and endures forever.’

Answer. I do believe that you and the Papists and Jesuits, agree all in one; but you do not agree with the apostles and ministers of the word, for the ministers of the word call the scripture a declaration, as you may read Luke 1:1. And you do not agree with those who set forth the Acts, that called it a treatise [account], Acts 1:1. Likewise you do not agree with some of your own, who say the scriptures signify writings, and writings will not endure forever. So you are Babylon [which means confusion], and do not agree with Christ, nor with John, Rev 22:19, who said ‘the words;’ nor with Moses, nor God, who ‘spoke all these words,’ Exo 20:1-17. In the beginning was the word, and the word is God, and the word lives and abides forever; but the scripture is words, and the scripture cannot be broken.

John Nasmith, Priest of Hambleton, his Principles.

Principle. ‘That the soul of man is a reasonable sinful substance.’

Answer. How can what is sinful be reasonable? And if what is unsinful is reasonable, and sinful is reasonable also, then they are one, in unity. The Lord will take the soul for an offering for sin; does the Lord take what is sinful for an offering? Isa 53:10. See how you and the prophet do not agree here! But what is that soul that the wicked are not able to kill? Is it not what God has in his hand? And this is a lie, to say what is reasonable is sinful; you put light for darkness. God, who has all souls in his hand, ‘breathed into man the breath of life, and he became a living soul,’ and the soul is immortal and Christ the bishop of it is immortal, and God has it in his hand, which goes against him who does evil, whose hand is immortal; but man transgressing the commands of God, the soul lies in death. So Christ is the bishop of souls; so those who came to know Christ, their souls rejoiced in God their savior, Luke 1:47.

Principle. ‘That the evil spirits are both sinful and reasonable.

Answer. This is a lie, for reasonable is not sinful, but unreasonable is sinful, 2 Thes 3:2, they do not have the faith; and if the evil spirit is reasonable, and the good reasonable, they are both one, who then is unreasonable? If the evil spirit is reasonable, you put no difference between the precious and the vile; you have the mark of a blind guide, and a false prophet in the forehead.

Principle. ‘That one of the Quakers is worse than the devil.’

Answer. This is a lie, with his strange wonder, for there is nothing worse than the devil, whose children you are; for when he speaks a lie he speaks of himself, for he is the father of it.

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